Showing posts with label Electric Flight. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Electric Flight. Show all posts

Tuesday, May 8, 2018

I Think I’ll Just Wing It. Pt.7



When I decided to build this plane and blog the progress I made somewhat of a table of contents of what I wanted to cover. My main goal is to maybe make this all a bit less intimidating for a newcomer. See Parts One, Two Three, Four, Five and Six to see all the steps to this project.

Tiny 17" Wingspan and flying weight of 3 ounces, balsa wood cover in very thin shrink. I built this few years ago, crazy fast brushless motor and a symmetrical airfoil
Nieuport 17 - 32" wingspan balsa covered in shrink film, this was a lot of fun to build and fly.
If you like scale model airplanes imagine flying what you built in plastic. I added a pilot that I painted and flying wire to this one, the wire if done right is not the only scale but is functional to hold the right "wash" to the wing.


Through this process to start, one thing became evident that when I embark on each part, the list of things to explain gets very long. Much like when you are relating how to make some dish in the kitchen, explaining the framework of the how when you realize the person you are talking to might not have ever measured out ingredients or preheated an oven let alone knows what blanched means or what happens when you clarify butter.

So when writing I want to be thorough but not overly so. My last addition on servos I felt I had to get into a bit since I have not found a lot of good explanation on the subject. It was always specific to a type of vehicle and I have seen them all and found a few things I wanted to share.

This was a nitro powered plane I converted to electric.  56" wingspan.

The motor and batteries we use in model aircraft have had some real changes in the last 20 years and there has been so much written on these subjects already I will be pointing readers to some established places of knowledge along with trying to shed some light on all the lingo when it comes to that stage of the build.


Flys better than a nitro powered plane

Next step is to make this project look more like a plane and get the main wing on and that will be the next post. Until then I would like to provide some links to information that doesn't need to re-written.

The Glossary is self-explanatory. The link to motors is a decent primer. Battery University is a place everyone from all walks of life should read at least Part one. When I have heard stories about people that freeze their batteries to rejuvenate them or they buried them in their yard, pointed them west when mercury was in retrograde with mars etc. I send them to B.U. and debunk the nonsense. There are links to specific batteries and the LiPo type being the one I will use.

Back Soon,

-Hobby Dude

Monday, May 7, 2018

I Think I’ll Just Wing It. Pt.6 - Servos 101

Servos. They articulate movements in assembly lines, robots, satellites, radio control, planes, cars, boats, helicopters and about anything you can imagine that needs something moved remotely. The Latin translation is "slave" and that is essentially their function.

A Size For Every Application.

I have always thought the word Servo sounded like a breakfast cereal.  New Nabisco Serve-O's now with fortified teeth decaying sugar. The cranky hobbyists didn't like my sense of humor when they apprehensively asked for the correct "server" for their project when I was in the hobby shop. I would respond by asking them if they wanted Pentium or AMD. Maybe I do not know a good way to help a brother out to stop calling something the wrong name but I would let them know it was a "Servo" trying hard to not be the know it all ass-hat hobby guy but sometimes all good intentions...
Some common park, and indoor flyer servos

My intentions really were to fill gaps in knowledge about what servo to buy and that brings me to the purpose of this post, if you ever have found yourself looking for a servo or may in the future I hope to leave you with something to work with.
What you get when you buy a servo, a variety of control horns and screws
 Arms, Horns, Wheels and rubber dampers to keep nitro engine vibration away from the servo

Generally kits, plans and ready to go RC stuff will have some reference to what servo you might need for a Radio Control project be it air, and sea or robot. There might be a size requirement, torque or speed needed and as you will learn there are multitudes and combinations of all those items.
This is a continuous 360-degree servo with a geared wheel for some type of robotic use. Notice the brand "Fitec"? The biggest servo company is "Hitec" and right here is a great example of why to not trust equipment or their claims when it is evident they are trying to free ride on a namesake

To start let us look at some servo facts:

Most servos move 180 degrees but there are others that move 360 degrees and ones with a continuous movement that are for winding up a cord on a sailboat's mainsail. there are special movement ones for Aircraft with retracts. Robot hobbyists also have some that are specific to their uses.

The servo cases are made from plastic and in some cases metal with a built-in heat sink to dissipate the motor heat. Some servos are available as waterproof.
Here is a servo with the bottom half of the case made from aluminum to dissipate heat from it operating

Servos have 3 wires consisting of a +, -  DC voltage and signal wire. One end of this has a 3 conductor plug that plugs into the receiver or robot servo board. The voltage is supplied here as well and it is typically 4.8 Volts DC up to 7.2 Volts DC on some select servos. Always check manufactures voltages to be sure so you know what voltage to supply it.
Red is +voltage Brown is - Voltage and yellow-orange is the signal wire

Another thing to note is that manufacturers like to make you guess, hook the servo up backward and buy another one.  So watch the colors and read the little paper in 50  languages that came with the servo. Unless they have red and black with some other color you can usually trust red is + and black is -

The wiring connects to a control board inside the servo and it controls the motor via the pulses received through the signal wire. The motor is geared to reduce the RPM of the motor at the output shaft of the servo where the servo control horn connects.
Here you can see the internal gears, this is one of the servos I will use
On the bottom inside is the electronics that control the motor, this is an analog servo




Higher duty servos are available with metal gears and most decent servo manufactures sell internal replacement gears. There are some with carbon composite gears lighter than metal and Delrin with strength in between the two.
You can see the Metal output gears here and one has a metal case. These are both examples of a low profile servo where you might need space below where the servo mounts. Notice the black one has a Brushless motor this is more efficient motor providing serious torque and speed.
The servo output shaft is splined so servo horn will lock in place when pressed on and it followed up with a screw in the center to hold it on. Be aware manufactures all have different splines there is no standard. Makes me mad people new to the hobby will struggle with this issue since manufacturers do not make this very clear.
Shaft Splines
Adjustable Servo Horn
Aftermarket servo control horns or arms, very stiff aluminum sometimes with machine thread, great for cars and helicopters

There are two types of servos, Analog and digital. I will try and explain the difference.

First, both types receive a signal that is a PWM or Pulse Width Modulation.  

Every 20 milliseconds a pulse is sent to the servo to tell it what position the servo should be in to match what you are doing with the sticks or controller via radio waves. So if you are moving the radio stick control you set up to control the rudder and you want it to move right the radio sends pulses in those 20-millisecond window frame to the servo to move it. The PWM frequency is 50hz. A longer pulse moves the motor farther but the transit time to get there is limited by that 50hz.

Think of a ceiling fan, especially the variable ones.  You turn it on and it takes a moment to spool up to speed, or if is variable there is a moment to see the increased speed you requested.  This situation can be bad in servos. You give input to stick, the frame rate is 50hz, the servo responds and moves but the amount of power or torque it can have is limited because it doesn't "spool up".  The feel at the sticks is spongy.
Here are the 180 degrees of travel, the splines are offset so you never get it dead center and equal points on each side but no worries the radio transmitter takes care of centering this up

So what if we increase that frequency by changing the tiny electronics inside the servo, change the circuit from analog to digital. Take out the transistors and replace them with the logic chips and small processors. Now the frequency is 300hz and the speed is increased along with a new ability to develop the needed torque. The mechanics are the same but we just improved it by talking to it faster.

So now you are thinking why would you ever use an analog servo since digital is so much better, well cost is one big factor the second is they just are not needed in most cases.

I'll give some examples:

The plane I am building is fine with analog servos, it is a foam plane and while I intend on making it rigid there is going to be some flex in the plane and the mechanics. It is a fun park flyer, not a precise pattern plane or competition 3d plane. I don't need overly snappy controls and the added expense would be lost on this airframe.

If I was building a helicopter I would not attempt it without digital servos and some really fast ones. The tail collective pitch the main head and the collective pitch, I want instant control as fast as possible input and transit time. I would also opt for metal gear servos which are more resistant to stripping.


RC Monster or stadium trucks, including buggies I would want some serious torque for the steering servo to move those giant tires around same with a rock crawler. Metal gears are a must here. Nitro vehicles through an analog cheap servo are just fine for the throttle control.

On aircraft, the name of the game is weight and weight to thrust ratio so keep the servos light but with enough balls to move a rudder or elevator under a load of flying.  There is a lot of air going over those surfaces adding forces on them the servo has to work against to move it or in some cases resist moving it too far. Nitro planes have no need for digital control of the throttle just like the land vehicles.

With all this said when it comes to choosing a servo:
  1. Consider the physical size.
  2. Speed
  3. Voltage (see the torque and speed increase with voltage increase on some models)
  4. Tourque
Take a look here: Servo City

You can see just one company has a ton of offerings. The servo I am using is comparable to the Hitec HS-55 on that page. Now let's get one thing straight Spec reading is misleading. In the past, I have weighed parts, ran a test with watt meters on the current drain and all I can say is consider them rough guidelines. For instance, some companies weigh the servo without wires and plug, with or without control horn and the screw that holds it on.  So in an attempt to market it as lighter, it is the same and even heavier in some cases after the required hardware and wiring is added to use it. The other thing I have found is a servo advertised as metal with only one metal gear.

When it comes time to program the transmitter I will go into some more detail but a few things to know once it is all set up.

Here is a high-quality servo from Hitec notice the ball bearing where the output gear exits the case with titanium and brass gears

In the programming of most modern transmitters, there is the ability to reverse the direction of the servo, set the endpoint limit of travel each way and reduce the overall travel. There is also a function called exponential, this is a way to achieve a different feel of response and also tame down something a bit too lively. Let's say you set your exponential at 80% now the center of the stick will be dead in the first 20% of its movement and this keeps you from twitching and overcorrecting. If it was set at 10% you would have to almost bury the stick one way to get the servo to move. The other function common on transmitters is "Dual Rate" or even Triple rates meaning a switch on the radio can be set up to have more limited movement of the travel. You may be able to get a huge amount of deflection of your rudder or elevator but do you need that much? Set up for lower rates is a great idea to make that first take off so you don't stall or drive it into the ground right off. Once in the air, you can flip the switch for full rates and go all Chuck Yeager.

I try to get what is called "Three Mistakes High" meaning get up at least 100 feet or so in the air before you summon your inner Top Gun and you have some time before you meet terra firma to correct.

Radio brands have some different ways and nomenclature of going about these functions so always RTFM(Read The F%@**ing Manual). on the radio.

With all this talk of analog and digital, I don't want to leave out the good old mechanical advantage of how the servo is installed.
 If the pushrod is attached to hole 1 the servo will move the least to move the surface the most

Typically Servo control horns and surface control horns have multiple holes to attach the pushrod. In basic terms at the servo the farther out the hole is from the output of the servo the more leverage you have, and at the control surface, the opposite is true. There are limits to this, of course as the horn moves it is at an arc and at some point, the lever arm can get too long. Also at the surface control horn if is too close to the surface itself and needs a big movement the pushrod can run into the surface itself bending to try and push it further.

More times than not when I have encountered a servo not doing what it is supposed to do it was the mechanical setup of pushrod and linkages. Friction and any loss of rigidity in the pushrod is the enemy.

I couldn't make a small post on this subject I know it is a lot to read but I hope I shed some light on a device used a lot in a lot of places in our hobbies. I am going to finish this off with an example of another use of a servo on a little robot I built using Arduino, some stepper motor drivers, one servo and an ultrasonic sensor.



- Hobby Dude



Friday, April 27, 2018

I Think I’ll Just Wing It. Pt.5

I said when the weather showed promise I would get back to building my RC plane project. (see parts 1-4) Today, I enjoyed some high 70-degree weather and there is a lure of days of sunny weather ahead so I should see some days with still air.

I had stated I had a few goals; 4 channel, 8-ounce flying weight or AUW, to have a landing gear, big wheels, ailerons and be able to fly some basic aerobatics. My basic construction is foam board, carbon fiber rod, and a basswood stick.

I want to talk about the foam board I am using. There are a few "aircraft" type foam sheets out there available to buy. Depron is the name most are familiar with. Midwest Balsa made some called Cellfoam88 but have since discontinued as well as few others made varieties. It is all essentially a cell foam that is unskinned meaning it does not have a paper skin on it like poster board. Kit manufactures laser cut it for really nice fitting kit parts. Most construction of these planes uses very small diameter carbon rod or tube that is CA(super glue) glued to the foam to stiffen it up and make some pretty rigid airframes. Unlike balsa wood planes the foam planes can be pretty easy to repair.

Just to clarify the foam I am referring to is a sheet, injection type styrofoam is also used for RC planes. The sheet foam renders a "profile" type plane although it can be paneled like thin balsa sheet to make full dimensional fuselages and airfoils. Some of the "aircraft " type foam sheet is sorta expensive in my opinion, it typically comes in 1, 3, 5mm thicknesses.

What I am using is really cheap, in fact, $1 for a 2'x3' sheet. It is Dollar store poster board that has a paper on it. I run some warm water in the bath and soak a sheet for a few minutes and the paper skin peels right off both sides. Now it is near or the same weight of the expensive "aircraft" foam sheets.

Now you have some sheets of foam ready to cut up into parts, the laser cutter is awesome but a box of sharp razor blades and a good straight edge you can make some cool planes. Don't waste your time with a hobby knife unless you want to swap the blade out every few minutes, as soon as the foam starts to stagger or pile up while cutting the blade is shot. Foam kills blades fast.

At this point, I want to point to some places you can download and print off a tiled PDF to tape together and cut out for templates to make your own plane. Everything from high wing trainers to Jets can be made for RC out of foam sheet.
There are many types of glue you can use to join foam and join the carbon rod to the foam. Just always consider weight, which means first use as little glue as you need to make it join no more. Second, choose a glue that is lightweight and that would be CA glue or what many know as super glue. NOW a word of WARNING some CA glues will MELT the foam. That is good for styrene but no good for foam. So I can list a few I know have worked for me but Always Always take a scrap of foam and test it. If you are familiar with CA  glue might know there are 'Foam Safe' CA glues and something called an Accelerator. Agin the foam safe I have melted some foam so test it. Accelerators for CA glue speed up the curing process and I hate using them. In my experience, the Accelerator crystallizes the exposed glue and makes the joint very brittle. So with all that said Test that glue, have patience and go get some education on CA glues. BSI Industries or Bob Smith are the kings of Epoxy and CA glue, in fact, you might have purchased some and didn't know it. Hobby Town USA, Tower Hobbies and a ton of others market the BSI glue on their own as well BSI labeled bottles. As a business, you can buy their product with your store's name on them like it your house brand glue. They have a good section of what glue to use for what and good videos on using their different products. The other brand I like is ZAP makers of Zap a Gap and others. I use the regular medium consistency CA glue on this and other foam without fail.

When sourcing the carbon fiber rod in most hobby shops, kite stores carry some selection. It is easily found online too. I try to use a diameter that is roughly 25-35% of the thickness of foam I am using, bigger,  I feel is just extra weight. If in some cases I do use larger diameter I try to use tubing instead of a rod for the weight savings. Truth is when you drive an RC plane into the ground a few thousands of an inch would not have saved the plane from total destruction. Every now and then the ground just jumps up and its back to the workbench.

The other supplies needed for foam RC planes are clear scotch or similar tape. This used to hinge control surfaces as well as seal them from air breaking through the hinge point. Look for the thinnest lightest tape possible, I have found some cheap packing tape is terrible for shipping boxes but great for RC planes.

Low temp hot glue is very handy to fix servos and other radio gear to the planes and can be peeled off later and reuse the electronics, just don't use too much it is heavy.

Now back to building...

I got creative looking around for some wheels for this plane an ended up taking some condiment cups and trimming them, adding a circle of foam to fill and for more rigidity. I then cut the tube from a mixing pipette and used it as the bearing to ride on the music wire axle. I set some weight on the plane to simulate it fully built and loaded and I think they will work just fine.
They are really rigid for what they are made of.

The wheel will ride on the lip of plastic
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A small piece of shrink tubing on the axle end holds the wheel on, these can easily be painted

Next, I cut and attached my tail section to the fuselages. I glue foam to carbon rod onto both surfaces to not only stiffen up the foam but it provides a nice round to round surface to rotate against as the surface is moved. Then the clear tape is used as the hinge I re-designed the rudder section I needed clearance for elevator throw and wanted a bigger one to have a bit more if I can get this to knife edge in flight.


I found a sole tail lightweight tail wheel I had and in the end, I might need to ditch it for something lighter yet but I went ahead and made this a steerable tail. Glued the carbon rod into an aluminum tube which ended up going through the wood stick at end of the fuselage and another small piece of music wire glues inside of the bottom of the aluminum tube to bend and hold the wheel.
CA glue carbon rod into the aluminum tube


I bevel sand the ends of each piece of foam where I attached the carbon rod. This keeps the edge of foam from hindering or limiting throw.




Tubing passes through the wooden section making it like a bearing block

Note the triangular plastic piece sticking out of the rudder and elevator, these are called "control horns" I had some laying around but here are 2 types available from many hobby shops and online.
As you can see EFlite are pretty proud of their products, I am a big fan of Dubro hardware products, Type 3 would be my choice since they have more holes, which governs your mechanical leverage in conjunction with the horn on the servo. A push rod runs between them.
The pivot hole of the horn needs to be right over hinge of surface or you will not have equal throw both ways.


Starting to look like something that should fly


I did a weigh in so far and knowing what my radio gear weighs this is looking like it is going to meet my weight goal.


I have set the top where the wing will set and the Incidence it will have. and yet decide how I will mount the servo and linkage for the ailerons.

I will have more to update on the build but that will be in next post. Thanks to all following along I hope to be out to fly next weekend and I will be filming the flight.
  • Hobby Dude

Tuesday, March 20, 2018

I Think I’ll Just Wing It. Pt.4

Let's talk Fuselage.

When building the Fuselage for an airframe you have a few things to consider or at least I did when designing this. First off how will it land? Sailplanes and gliders usually do not have any landing gear with the exception of a nose roller to help it slide. In the RC world, a lot of aircraft are called "belly landers" They might be somewhat scale planes, or profile scale but no gear. Why? Well for one it saves weight but another issue is the punishment landing gear goes through on RC aircraft. One hard landing on some planes tears into the fuselage from the way it is designed. Even in a perfect landing long grass can be a real challenge not to nose the plane over breaking props, motor mounts etc. Imagine in scale, you are landing in a 10' high cornfield. So when there is no gear you hand launch, which can take a bit of practice and when hand launching pusher prop types it takes a bit of a dance to keep from getting bit. This all depends on where you have available to fly, I am using a landing gear since I have a few hard surfaces available I can take off and land from.



The next thing to consider is where your gear will go since I am doing this from scratch I have no point of reference as to where the weight of gear should go, the center of gravity etc. So I need to not only allow room for gear but have some latitude to move it around to achieve a proper center of gravity balance.



I used a basswood stick 6mm x 610mm as the rear fuselage, the foam I add is only to lessen drag a bit and give me a wing mount. I used some lightweight plywood for my motor mount/firewall. The stick is basically the datum line of the aircraft.



The landing gear is .039 music wire bent to give some shock absorption to my gear. I used some scrap light ply to make a reinforcement to sandwich wire to main stick. I grooved stick slightly to allow the wood plate to fit flat. I used regular Titebond 2 wood glue. Keep in mind using only glue you need, it is amazing how much gratuitous use of glue can add, and we want as little weight as possible added.








I could put a small section of bent music wire in the tail to make a taildragger but sometimes trying to steer on the ground can be a challenge when all you have is the rudder and prop wash to steer. I will show later how I make the tail steerable.

Lastly, how will the main wing mount? Wings have incidence which is the angle of attack it has, higher on the leading edge with a 4-7 degree drop at the trailing edge of the main wing. I am going to use foam board sides of the fuselage to create the wing mount and its incidence which I am going to go with 5 degrees.

Next will be the Tail Surfaces...

-Hobby Dude

Monday, March 19, 2018

I Think I'll Just Wing It. Pt.3

With any Project, I like to Establish my goal first so here we go.

My goal is to build an Electric-powered park flyer from both items I already have that are fairly inexpensive to buy or easily found at discount, dollar and hardware stores. My goal weight is 8 ounces  (227 grams) based on the power system I already have.

Let's start with the gear I have:

I already have a Transmitter capable of multiple model memory from long ago but most TX systems are really inexpensive now. My motor is an Outrunner type meaning the outer body including magnets rotate while the winding of wire stay stationary unlike a typical armature/can style motor. This is also a Brushless motor, yep no brushes and it is also a 3 phase motor. A lot more efficient than brushed, less drag due to no brushes. They produce 2, 3 and many more times the power of an equal sized brushed motor supplied by the same voltage and current.

When looking at motor/thrust/watts consider this; a 2 cell Lipo battery is labeled 7.4 volts but when fully charged measures 8.4 volts. Think of this of a full gas tank. 7 volts is a near empty tank. At around 7 volts the plane is going to be very slow maybe start to be harder to fly as it is putting out less power from less voltage and ability to handle bursts of current draw diminish greatly. Most speed controls have a voltage cutoff to save the batteries. In this way, they behave differently than their fuel powered counterparts. So when looking at the table below this explains why you see both a 7 and 8-volt reading.

The motor is rated at 40 to 60 watts yielding between 220 and 340 grams of thrust. So here is how I determined the goal weight:

I do not know the origin but long ago I was taught the "Watts per pound" rule and whether or not it came from anywhere credible I can vouch that it is proven guideline.
  • 50W/lb or less - very lightweight low wing loading trainer or slow flyer.
  • 50 to 75 W/lb - light powered gliders, basic park flyers, and trainers, classic biplanes and vintage ('Old Timer') type planes. Some of these can fly on the minimum if they are "belly landers" with no landing gear.
  • 80 to 125 W/lb - general sports flying and basic/intermediate aerobatics. Many scale (eg warbirds) subjects suit this power band.
  • 120 to 175W/lb - more serious aerobatics, pattern flying, 3D and scale EDF jets.
  • 180 to 200+W/lb - 3-D Planes, fast pattern planes, pylon racers,  faster jets and anything that needs serious non-scale power.
Just to put this in perspective 1 horsepower is equal to 746 watts.

As I stated above my goal weight is 8 ounces/227 Grams, and the motor at a minimum is rated for 220 grams of thrust, this means I should have  1:1 or greater thrust to weight ratio of about 80 watts per pound. Using the list above I should have more than enough power and some wiggle room with what it will weigh in the end.  We call this "AUW" or "all up weight", essentially everything that is going in the air.

My battery is a 2s1p or 2 cell lipo 7.4 volt 300mah 30C and I will explain later what all that means when it comes time to power up.

I will use 3 servos to control Rudder, Elevator, and Ailerons. Beyond that, there is the wheels I still need to make,  receiver, speed control or ESC (electronic speed control), prop, pushrods and control horns. So far my airframe parts and electronic gear weigh roughly 138 grams/4.8 ounces and I still have hardware and wheels to weigh in so I think I am going to make goal weight.

The airframe is next...
  • Hobby Dude

Sunday, March 18, 2018

I think I will just wing it.

The problem with me is that even if I know a pun is bad I will still use it.

I have played with all of the activities found in a hobby shop except maybe collecting beanie babies and scrapbooking and I don't think that really needs an explanation as to why. I do love the plastic world but if you have ever done any radio control hobbies there is another dimension enjoyed with that type of modeling. I have built and raced on road cars, off-road cars, rock crawlers, and few of the more scale RC stuff like Tamiya offers. I grew up with my father introducing Control Line Planes and spent a lot of my paper route money on little Cox .049 control line planes. Mustangs, Spitfires, and Warhawks, I had a coffee can full of spent .049 engines and cut and bruised fingers from the spring starters. I later played a bit with a nitro RC plane but I was going through the common struggle of finding a place big enough to fly without paying to join a club and getting to participate in the nonsense of clubs. Years later about the time Electric Park flyers came out I started managing a hobby shop.



The aspect of going to a ball field with smaller quieter planes was a huge benefit to being able to fly more and become a better flyer. I flew a lot and became the local guru on electrics the local hobby shop.

As a result, I later changed jobs to a hobby wholesale job and had a hand in designing and testing many products for electric planes and helis. Had my share of trade shows and events even made it to the gigantic airfield in Muncie Indiana joining the Compass Factory Heli Team at the amateur aircraft headquarters for the Huge Heli Fun/Fly Competition. I designed ducted fan jets, few trainers, and rarely met a kit or ARF(almost ready to fly) that I did not modify.



Recently the bug to build a plastic airplane kit started growing and like so many times in the past I think why not build something to fly. So I am digging into the depths of my math mind for what I use to know and I am going to build a park flyer out of some really basic materials and log the build here. I looked at current kits and I don't want to get into a long detailed build or some overpriced kit or ARF. I had the most fun flying with the basic airframe.
I have a basic outrunner I can use a 2cell pack(7.4v nominal) that should give me around 9-10 ounces of thrust and as a general rule 1:1 thrust to weight ratio is good for 3-d flying and aerobatics so if I can keep the AUW(all up weight) around 12 ounces it should fly great being is my intent is to build a sport flyer. The AUW is equal to the airframe, servos, radio gear, prop etc. I am going to use a piece of foam board from the dollar store for a wing and both stabilizers and The skeleton is a  6mmx610mm stick. I know all my posts so far are plastic scale cars but I am Hobby Dude so I have to change it up a bit. If anyone ever wanted to cross over into RC from scale plastic ask questions as much as you want and follow along as I build something fly-able out of cheap supplies. I will explain electric motors, Lipo batteries, charging, Speed control, servos and plane setup.

  • Hobby Dude